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Welcome back to another episode of the rebel soul podcast. I am so excited for today's guests. I have my friend, Jamie Biermann on today and Jamie is a money mindset and manifestation coach and we're gonna dive all into money and manifestation but before we do that, I want to kind of tell you as a little story about how we met. So Jamie, we were just chatting before so meeting your friends so we legit as soon as we get on, relax, catch me up on your life, like maybe gonna do an interview. And so I thought it'd be fun to talk about how we met and Jamie's like, wait, I feel like I've known you forever. How did we meet again?
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I literally can't remember. Right? It
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seems like forever. That's the one thing I love about this community. So what I remember from us meeting is that we the first thing we ever did together was that self love. Like chat. Remember on Valentine's Day, we did like a self love like love yourself. And I think you might have reached out to me and asked me if I would come and we could do like a chat on like self love. Do you remember that? I
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don't even remember that. But it sounds familiar.
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We were on I think we were it was on? It was on Instagram and Facebook.
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Yeah. You're so nice. We did a live oh my gosh, yes. Because I just love to your message. I love how you were approaching everything. I love your energy and I was like let's do something together. I completely remember this. Oh my gosh, we should look back at like the archives on Facebook and see if we can find it.
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Okay, you guys. I have it. We'll link it up in the show notes. So if you're interested in like see our first meeting and seeing the first thing we did you guys go back to watch it. So the fun thing is is that Jamie and I were both in different niches then when we where we are right now and we both happened to be helping people with body self love and weight loss and Jamie's specific niche and version of that was through PCOS and I was specialising in binge eating. So the end result is that we were doing the same thing and we yeah, we just find it was one of those friendships very much just like with Jen and you guys have provided friendship with Jen where it's like it was as far as like, we reached out and we have like one conversation and then it turned into like an instant friendship and now it's like we forget that it like started that way.
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We wait that's where I'm like, I feel like I've always known you Yeah, and our trajectory has been very similar, right? It's like we both were doing the same thing. We both started to shift at the same time. We both started to question things around the same time. So it's so amazing to have like business buddies too, that you can like rely on and you just kind of can go through the journey together. So good.
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Right I call them like my spiritual running buddies, right where it's like we're going through it together. And this is and this is why I wanted to have Jamie on you guys is because Jamie gets it. We both did the thing that we think we should do which is to like hire the coach and follow the strategy and pick the niche that's like easy to make money on or the thing right or like whatever whatever follows the rules. Right. And ultimately, you know, I think I do think it was right, me and Jamie were in the right places for the right time. But I remember me and Jamie having conversations well into our friendship before either of us ended in these new niches that like hey, we feel like something was missing. Like we felt like it wasn't quite what our souls work was and that there was a little bit off from like, what we really really want to do do and remember having those conversations
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I totally do. I totally do. Because I was in that for probably a year of like questioning it feeling like it's not right but I don't know what is right and kind of doing some soul searching. And yeah, I do think like for me I in the beginning just like so many coaches and entrepreneurs where you're doing something new, you don't know the how so you just follow a path, you pick someone else's path and you're like just gonna do everything this person tells me to do and I very much feel like I kicked everything from my mind versus like doing it to my heart listening to whatever really wants to do. And sometimes that's totally fine. Like, I don't think I could have started where I am now. Like it took me here. But yeah, everything was very much following the rules trying to do things a certain way and I burnt myself out I was feeling a lot of swords because I'm not a rule follower. Like I'm a rebel too. I'm a rebel Saul.
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Right Welcome to the biblical podcast right and, and here's what I love. I'm actually literally have goosebumps right now. I feel just like so hardcore this conversation in my soul because when you when there's something meant for you, you know it right and I think that we actually like what I'm really appreciating lately lately in my business. That's I've been really reflecting as I'm getting ready to, like, continue to scale is that you have to learn, you have to learn all the things that didn't work and because I did it that way because I hired the coach that I did the strategy and I brought myself out. Now I'm actually the perfect person to help people do it another way, right because I know right and so if I had just figured it out right away, it was like everything was super easy on my entrepreneur journey. I couldn't be the leader and I couldn't have the containers and I couldn't build the programs that I do today. Because that what I learned and ultimately in that journey is is the secret right that makes which is the manifestation which is the creation but then when you can you first you learn how to do it. But then what I figured out is that once you learn the basics, the rest of our job from our building of business is to learn what we know and deepen it and have a deeper level of trust and the more that we trust our processing what we know and especially with manifestation and money, the easier it gets.
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Yes, I couldn't agree more. It really does help you. I mean, for me, it taught me what my intuitive voice is. It taught me how to access that by having that contrast and being like wait, I'm all out of whack. Like I don't know, like my brain was just confused. And I certainly I do feel that I would not be able to access my gut instincts, my intuition if I hadn't gone through that for sure. And I wouldn't have found my way. Exactly. I mean, that's why I'm so proud of my past self for just going for it before I felt ready for just choosing things for just getting out there and doing business because like you said, it's like everything that doesn't work teaches you even more what does work. And I've even seen that in containers that I've been in, whether it's a coaching container, or a course I'm taking where it doesn't resonate. Sometimes those things are actually more valuable and worth what I've invested in even more than the ones that are more useful because I'm like, No, this isn't what works for me, but you know, you just get so much more clarity that's why you just have to go for it before you feel ready.
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Yes. Oh my gosh. Yes. Yes. So if you guys if you're listening and you are waiting for it to be perfect because let me tell you, me and Jamie were actually just talking about this before we started right like even when we have multiple six figure businesses and like, know how to create clients and like trust ourself and there's all these things that are going on. There's still moments that we're we're going back to having to look at things and like be like, Wait, is this is this still feel aligned? Does it still feel aligned? And really being able to like tap in and always going back to the intuition of like what's feeling right right now?
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Yeah, it's so true. I mean, the brain still does the same dance it did when I started the exact same dance, but it's like I think the more you get used to it and you learn how to be with your brain and hold space for it and go through those things. It's like it's not as challenging, right? So it's like my brain still a brain. Still question things. It still feels inadequacy, all of these things. But now it's like, Oh, I'm getting more and more used to its patterns and how to deal with it, how to hold space for it, how to move through it. So it does get easier in that way. But there is never going to be a day where it's just all rainbows and daisies like you don't hit that we're not supposed to win any fun like we're supposed to evolve.
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And also to that literally is we're living life is just a game, right like manifestation and money. It's just meant to be a game and not be thinking seriously about I kind of want to talk a little bit more about some of the maybe like the mistakes and more who actually really what it is just let's be honest, Jamie it's just the brain getting in the fucking way from us being able to manifest what we want because we're able
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to manifestation
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right so tell me because I know that this is what you're specialized in is like manifestation with honey and in also just manifestation so what do you see what's like some of the biggest mistakes that you see your clients and even that you made in the past when it comes to like manifestation?
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Yeah, similar to what you just said. I think it's like abundance is our natural state. That's why it feels so good when we're in alignment because that's our natural state. So I do think manifestation is more about letting go than it is taking on something new. Right? Like, of course mantras and thought work and practicing your thoughts all helped so much. But I think it's so much about releasing, releasing the rules that we place on ourselves, the shoulds the limitations, right? It's like releasing what our brain is telling us it has to be and recognizing and being the witness of our brain but being willing to question that and release it so I see it so much as like a letting go process and just becoming more us it's like letting ourselves just be more fully who we were here to be, and not who society tells us that we should be or how we should be for our parents or our family. It's like when we can just come more into us. I think abundance just naturally what you don't have to try to manifest. And I also think manifestation is not like what happens with a lot of my clients in the beginning if they'll set like a big, you know, manifestation that they want to create for themselves. Maybe it's a big number for business or maybe it's a certain amount of clients and instantly get into like striving energy into thinking I have to make it happen energy and pressure. And that's the opposite of manifestation. Fusion is really about like letting go of the how letting go of what you like, you don't know how it's gonna happen, guaranteed. Right and you don't have to make manifestation happen. It's more about allowing it to happen which takes some reprogramming or even like what are thoughts allow it?
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Yeah, I love it. You just ended up with like talking about the reprogramming because that's really what I figured out the work that I really do is helping people ship and I call it the emotional coding because there's a whole set and set point of behaviors and beliefs that the thing that sets it in place it makes it believable is the emotions. Also the emotions are things that manifest right so we can be using our minds we can be taking actions, but when we're feeling bad and we're not feeling good, that's the thing that is blocking us it's like create stopping them in another station. And what I see often so much is that we're like, I wonder how where's your three step process? Where's your brakes give me your manifestation five steps give me how to find clients if they want these house. And then what they do is they approach the house with like, any energy of like eating it, or this is the thing and when they don't see the results and they're like this isn't working. But what most people misunderstand about manifestation is that to me, the manifestation is actually first in the feeling you feeling it and having it so to me when I talk about like when I'm teaching embodiment, which is like being and having it the first step of embodiment is intentionally practicing holding the emotion and when you can sit there and sit as if you already have the money. You already have the clients. That actually is a manifestation and what people don't really understand and they actually maybe they do understand, but they forget because it's a programming issue is that we need evidence, hardcore evidence in the world to say like, oh, this works, I'm gonna be able to see it. And what we do is that when we don't see it, we're in lack. And really what we need to do is need to learn to shift our feelings instead of it's a lack into what I call lag time, right? So this lag thing of like, hey, it's not there yet, but I'm gonna call the feeling and know that it's coming. And then we'll be led to inspired ideas and it will all show up.
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Yes, that's it. And I think for a lot of people, what I've seen them struggle with is they're like, Yeah, I get that. But it was Don't let themselves even feel what it would be like to have it because they're so fearful that it won't, right or they're like, I don't see a path in front of me of how it could happen or they look to their past or they look to, you know, what's been what's around them. So they're like, Well, I don't see how that could happen. So how can I even visualize it? How could I even set that goal, right? Whereas it's like, no, it's like, all you really have to do is move into the vision is let yourself have the vision let yourself move into the end result without having to have all of that right and it dies like you have to reprogram yourself almost to allow yourself to get there sometimes for some people. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, I
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love this. I love that. What what I keep on picking up what you're saying is it's like allowing anything, right that's like allowing, allowing and allowing I think another word that we can potentially use for this is receiving mode, right? This like receiving like, allowing you to be there and I think one of the things that I think that sets manifestation into motion is allowing the desires, we really don't even allow the first thing to happen because there's all this programming in our way of what we believe we can have and what is even possible to have
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us and I think there's also a lot of who in mind to have this right that that whole programming and there's this Oh, shoot, if I had that, what would people think of me? It's almost in fear of their own desires. And, like this belief that I can't have what I want, I can't have what I desire, it's not okay, right? So it's like really releasing that stuff so that you can even move into the desire is number one. And then once you've moved into the desire, it's reprogramming these beliefs like I see some of these where there's these beliefs like oh, it has to be hard for me to be deserving of it. So then all of a sudden, they start making it really hard for themselves or they only go do hard things to get there versus like what's just kind of cool and what's the path of least resistance but keeping it simple, right? When we have a belief that it has to be hard and then all of a sudden we're like, oh, I have this desire, but let me go make my life really hard to create so that I can feel worthy of it because I'm only worthy of receiving things if there was some struggle, which of course I mean comes from our culture. And you know, our parents came from a completely different generation. So it's allowing ourselves to think in a new way around it.
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Yeah, and I love because I see what I see out there. And it's like, I know your so much of the work that you do with your women in your mastermind, I'm guessing is like really looking at the beliefs, right? The really the beliefs that are in the way and it's almost like you have to like give yourself to live by a whole new set of rules. And to me, I don't like the word rules, especially as a rebel we don't. That's not really what it is. But what are the ways that I like to kind of think about this, it's just energetic standards for my life and like how it gets to me.
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It's setting your own rules. It's like we got to decide and that's something that I think about is like, I don't have to live my parents curriculum or someone else's curriculum, right. Like my parents might have come here to learn this lesson. But that doesn't mean that I had I'm here to learn that lesson. So it's like asking myself what is my soul here to learn to experience asking myself that first and then like, what will I create for myself that allow me to live in alignment with like, what I want to be here for?
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Yeah, that's, I think would be really fun if maybe we shared some of our rules, right? Because maybe there's like some people out there looking being like listening to like, well, I know all of my limiting beliefs, but what does it look like in the mind of somebody who like, doesn't have rules so what are some of the stuff what are some of the things that you back to you they're just and I call them like, just your truth, right? Like it just to me like we all have a sense of truth and when we have to tap into the truth of like our soul, which is God's source, which is the power that you can align to that it comes to you. So what are like your truths that you live by?
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Yeah, so I'm, I'm so excited to tell you some of them but I will tell you this first, just so that it's not misconstrued. I have to remember these are my rules. Right? So like, I can still my brain naturally will get into like what we were talking about in the beginning of like, sometimes if I'm feeling out of sorts going and like, oh, like maybe I should look outside of myself for the answer or start following someone else's rules and I have to hold myself back into allowing it to be what I want it to be and allowing it to be easy. So some of my rules are like one thing is, the more the more I have fun, the more money I make. I just decided that and I want it to be completely true. So one of my rules is if it's not fun, I either have to learn how to make it fun, or I can drop it. So I like that's one of my themes is just like fun. I also feel like I think about the end of my life and that's something that I meditate on often and it's like living my life to the fullest right? So it's like each day and not holding back and just going for what I really really want dreaming bigger, playing bigger by I always say manifestation is my business plan. So coming back to that consistently. I'm like, oh, yeah, all I have to do is manifest all I have to do is see the vision set the intention, do my spiritual practices and things work out really well is whenever I go try to get into the weeds into the details force myself to do things that I really don't like doing which is very, I'm a visionary, like I'm not an executor. So I don't like going and, you know, doing detail oriented thing that just doesn't work for me. So letting myself really focus on my strengths, right? That's one of my rules is just instead of, you know, coaching myself into or forcing myself to do something just come back and ask myself, How can I do this using my strengths? And how can I make this what would be the most enjoyable, right and then coming back to my purpose, which I feel my purpose is really to help. Specifically women in business, learn where their power lies. So whenever I think about that, it just lights up. I'm like, ideas calm, right? So where their power lines when it comes to creating their dream business, the money that they want, you know, like, I love financial empowerment. And whenever I think about that, and how much I really want to help people around that, like the idea is just calm. So it's really, my role is focusing on my strengths. Coming back to my purpose, feeling that in my body, letting that guide me and not limiting myself, like asking myself what do I really want here and like visualizing that creating the life that I really want no rules. I don't have to write there's no limitations of mine. Yeah, I
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agree. I agree. And I think one of my top ones who is like, there is no limitation. In fact, like, how I really think about this is like, I am the creator, I have the power to create whatever I want and how I create whatever I want is through shifting my emotions and as long as I know how to shift my emotions, I can create whatever I want. And that's just the thing that I go back to because it's just like that is it's funny and I don't know if you pick this up, but I've been really working on redoing some of my programs getting really clear and making my processes really simple. And I did recently just kind of went back and figured out took away like the most basic things from like all the mentors that I've taken away like the simplest thing that they teach, and really when it comes down to it, it's like it's like everyone almost says the same exact thing, which is that it's your energy, the energy of having like a feeling as if you can have it is what creates it like the actual feeling of having it and all of them teach some kind of tool or process to shift emotions. They might call it thoughts, but really the emotions,
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what do we have over a nation? Like what
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that is it to me what I really did, especially in the last six months, like what's made my business easy with the ifollow fun too, and I have a thing the more I have two more money, the more fun I have, the more money I make, and the more I cry, the more money I make because I'm releasing emotions and doing the deep work. So the more I cry, the more money I make. That's a big one for me.
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Love it. And that kind of even leads into another manifestation myth, which is that you have to feel good all of the time. And I see a lot of it's like we think we're supposed to get rid of our human primitive brains to manifest but I'm like, I don't think so. Like, right like I actually think about your ability to hold space for those scared options that are inside that manifests in different ways. Whether that's doubt anxiety, whatever it is, right? Like I think manifestation really is about your ability to be with them to process them to allow them to welcome them versus I think the myth is oh my gosh, I shouldn't feel that way. Let me shift fast. But people think that they shift by just grabbing a quick thought or a quick mantra, or trying to get into their body with like trying to get a new emotion into their body without fully processing what's really come up or what's there. So I love that rule. I totally agree. And I think that's some of the work that needs to be brought more into manifestation and I think you know, of course we're doing that but processing emotions like that's a piece of it and being with them and not making them wrong is gonna go away like
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right okay, we're gonna go down this I'll come back to my other one. guy but I want to stay here for a minute because here you guys were right now what me and Jamie are about to talk about in this conversation take note, because we're literally spilling the secrets to manifestation right here like this is this is truly it like when you can understand that it really has to do with the emotional piece of it. And what Jamie was saying about we're not we're afraid to look at the negative emotions because when we bring up the negative emotions or people are like, Oh, well, if you feel the negative emotion you can manifest okay? But that negative emotion that you're not looking at so here's here's the analogy I like to make and I tell the story all the time is that you know, when I was first trying to make my $100,000 like I really wanted to see you and like I do believe I do believe I do believe but I just really wanted to, but there was so much doubt that I was ignoring and not looking at because all I was doing is not work because I thought if I looked at the doubt then it would come through. And what it was doing is it was just like taking shit and spraying perfume on it right. And I now call this I have a whole process of I call this smoking kopien. Right? Like if you're just working within your mind and like really wanting it and there's a desire and you're like I want it I want it I want it inside when you're saying I want it you actually don't believe it. It's not going to manifest and so I think the most powerful thing or what actually creates a manifestation is what when you can do it with Jim is starting to say is like bring up that feeling and look at it in a total neutral place right so allow it to come into your body and just like be there without naming it without giving any meaning without giving any story and truly allow it to pass by because what what I know for sure you guys before in the podcast where I levels of consciousness right there's a conscious mind the subconscious mind and the soul conscious mind. When your conscious mind and your subconscious mind are in the emotions like in the humaneness of being a human. We can't access the soul consciousness which is where the manifestations in our power lies. So in order to actually get into that part of you that is beyond what our humaneness can see which is this abundance that Jamie was talking about earlier, this pure consciousness that is our power to have to be able to be in a completely calm place to access possibility and to play with potentiality you cannot manifest this when you're in an emotional state. So it's so key to stop and learn how to process these emotions and do it in a way where you're not incontinent and you're feeling what you're feeling removed from it. And that is that literally is how you create the manifestation is looking at other doubt like how I've created everything that I wanted is every single day sit down I said okay, don't come up what's in the way. Come on. Notice it's like that I write it down and I feel it. That's literally how I start my day every single day not only looking at all that I want because that's one piece of it. But before I look at what I want, or sometimes they'll come after look at what I want that I'm like, What's the resistance in my way? And if you're not clearing the resistance in your body every day, then you're walking around with old programming that's preventing you
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back is good. I love that. So but what's going to help today right so awesome. I love that exercise. It's so true. So true. That's got to be I think one of the biggest myths. And I think on top of that, not it's like I think whenever people hear and I know that I've gotten there too that oh my gosh, if I feel doubt I'm negatively manifesting or I'm not going to manifest it right. But it's like no, that doesn't mean it's not happening. It's just that like your manifestation isn't gonna be in its fullest. You're doing it through doubt. Like you can create things through hard work, hustle while you're doubting, but you're gonna get there and it's not going to feel very good. Yeah, right. Yeah. So it's like you might as well clear it out so that you can feel your full abundance so that whenever you manifest it is actually going to feel really good and it right No, I mean 100%
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And now it's funny and it's so funny I'm having this realization literally as we're talking about this right now where it's like now this is just part of my like, you know, the way that you would do your morning routine your journaling or whatever it's like part of my thing, because I do it so often. It's no big deal but I'm looking at it I'm not like judge right it just because it's like okay, what I'm so nonchalant about it. I'm like, Oh my gosh, what's going on in my brain today? It feels great, just like when it's coming up, right? And the other thing that I see people do that get in the way of manifestation is that they do the thing because they think the thing is gonna get so for instance, or like, I need to feel good. I want to be I want to manifest so I'm gonna sit here and I'm gonna like visualize you can't do it to get the knee and you have to do it because you actually want to do it in the feels good. So now what is actually I realized that the days are they don't sit and release my doubt my body has this low vibration underneath it and I noticed that right so now I do it because I actually want to do it because it feels good because I'm like, Oh my gosh, I'm anchoring in and so it's become this like, beautiful thing that I'm doing because I want to do it and the same thing. With affirmations and all the things all the work in the process that I give my clients. We can't make it this habit that it becomes checking off the boxes and has to be truly because it feels good. And what I now even do is I just sit in my bed and I'm like, how satisfied can I feel right now and it becomes a game that I played. I'm like, I'm just gonna sit here and be so satisfied. And it's like I didn't care if anything's coming or not because I just keep on going into the right place.
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That is it. I love that I love your practices. That's so good. I could still picture you doing it to nobody it's so true. It's like the journeys got to be just as fun as the destination but like that's like that is in our control. Right and I think we don't have any fun on the journey when we think the destination is going to be better. And when we think once we get there, I'm going to be worthy and I'll be able to call myself successful when I'm going to prove myself and oh my gosh, my life is gonna be so much better there than we don't allow ourselves to enjoy the journey and we're not actually doing this work that you're talking about where you're getting into the feeling ahead of time you're enjoying it sounded like by the time you get it, you're like, Well, I've already been feeling this way for the past six months. All right, like it's just the cherry on top.
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I love this. I'd love to hear anything else. Because I know that like this is really what you go deep and I know you have an amazing mastermind that you take women through the process of like manifest I think it's social six is that your mastermind? Yeah, totally. What are what are they learning in that like what are you sharing in like that kind of container?
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Yeah, so I what we do is we go through each week and we do a different process a different manifestation process, but because what it's for women who are coaches who are you know, ambitious, who want to make 100k but in a very soulful way that's aligned for them that's getting out of the hustle where they're doing it in a more graceful easeful way. So I would say one of the main pieces that I work with is around clearing all of the beliefs around money so that we can call more of it in with ease because I do believe that so much of our conditioning around money is a manifestation blocker. When you want to have this business that has a big impact and you want to bring in clients and help them but you have all of these blocks around money where it's like, Oh, I feel guilty for taking their money quote unquote or you know, I shouldn't be charging for something that I love doing right? This is easy for me and I would do it for free. So who am I to charge or when we think you know, having money is bad or if I have money I'm gonna be judged right when there's like all these old unconscious beliefs kind of layered down in there. It's very hard to manifest the business that we want. So a lot of the work that I do with my clients around like I said, manifestation is clearing those out so it's a huge process of clearing is of course like we learned how to dream bigger, but then I feel like the whole five months together is a whole lot of clearing.
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Yeah. Oh, I can I can imagine I can imagine that. Going through that. And it's really you're having to question things or you're having to like, give up beliefs. What do you think are like some of the top beliefs that you're seeing that are getting getting in their way like the biggest ones?
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I definitely think it's this belief that like hard work equals success. So what happens when we believe that is we're almost like, who am I to let it be easy, but doesn't seem fair. So we go out there do a bunch of stuff we don't like doing because we think that's what it takes to be successful. But really, the truth is, this is my belief. One of my rules is like, actually, the easier it is probably more valuable because you're in your zone of genius, right? You're not having to try so hard. So that's even more valuable, right, but being willing to receive when things are easy. So that's a huge one that I see that and that I work through because I also work with coaches on overworking and how to stop overworking how to just really do business and alignment. So I would say that's one of the top beliefs and then there's just so much around money. There's guilt. There's Oh, I don't want my family to see me in this way or my family struggled. So how can I have it as easy? How can I be like What's everyone gonna be thinking about me? Even to like I'm a woman so I can't create, right? Like that's a big one too. I've been told my whole life that and it's not even like, who I saw was successful in my life looked nothing like me and had none of the skills that I have. So how could I ever be successful? Right? Completely reprogram and see success in a completely different lens?
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Yeah, especially in you know, we both kind of you've done our businesses like, quote, unquote, the hard traditional, like the way like taking a lot of actions and doing the strategy. And then you also have figured out a way of using energetics like learning how to manifest so that we can actually become more of a magnet for the things and I think that what I want us all to know listening is that there is more than one way to build a business and if you feel like you're overworking or you're over hustling and whatnot, that you that is all optional. And actually the reason why you're doing that is because of your belief systems because you will because you believe that that actually is true. And if you change your belief systems, everything the whole world will the whole universe will adapt for a whole other easier way for you to create.
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I'm so curious for you what you see in terms of like sales and people. It's just your expertise. So when you see like beliefs around selling, they get in the way.
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Oh, man, I mean, I think there's just so many things right. And I think the thing is, is that like, there's just a fear of rejection, right? Like the biggest the biggest fear is that like we put ourselves out there. We put our offering to the world and no one says yes, of like, not people like not wanting it and you know, I think a huge part of sales and what I teach is actually money right is like a huge part of the transit position. So I think a lot of them is that but I think that really like to be honest. It's just a lack of clarity like the reason why people have a lot of like mind drama around sales is because they're just not really clear on their offer, or they don't really know how to talk with the offer, which then feels really hard showing up and to me, I think there's something very vulnerable right where I've been in sales my whole life and when I used to sell like, you know, like other services like automotive repair shops, I would sell like marketing, like postcards. It wasn't me it was like another product, but when you're selling you, you're putting this very vulnerable thing out there. It's like that's the thing with personal brands and I believe that like most people you work with and I work with we are personal brands, right? Like it's, it's this personal thing. And so I think that the biggest beliefs is that like, I'm not worthy, or somebody's not going to want this right or like no one's gonna want this.
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About me if they don't, right, like what am I gonna? Yes, yes.
29:45
Right. And ultimately, if this is the truth is that the thing that's really holding them back in sales is that they think they're not enough right now. That's it, you just you can get to the place where I'm enough right now to help somebody and that's all you need. I also think to the other next layer of that if you're not is that people also get their own way when they feel like they can't get people results, right with the pressure to like, when you're selling like a service. Like what if I can't get the results, right. So there's some layers that play in underneath, but I think it all stems back from just not feeling enough. Oh, my gosh, right now, right. And then the money stuff, you know, and I think that could be a whole other episode and actually, maybe I will have you come back. Do you want to do something like like, like Mike like actually asking for money and objections that would be like a really fun thing diamonds. Talk to me about to talk about that before
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I even found I love that stuff. Awesome. Okay, well, I'm
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gonna I'm gonna start wrapping this up. But I want to ask leave with one question and what I just want you to share with everybody like what like we've been talking a lot this like in this episode about like, things people do wrong and that leads in everyone's way, but I want to leave everybody with like the truth about what money really is. What the truth of like what manifestation is. So what can you What do you want to lead like what is true about money?
30:49
Oh my gosh, I love this question. What's true about money? Let me start with that. And that's true about manifestation. Yeah, honestly, I truly believe that if you're just in alignment with your soul and out there serving and doing what you're here to do, and you're not attached to money or chasing money, it's going to flow in and I just think money is a fun resource like it. That's how I think of it. It's just fun. It allows me to express my soul just like on a higher level and to do everything that I want to experience like I was sharing about how, you know, I'm so big on like, oh my gosh, I have this one lifetime, what do I want to do in it and I think money is just a resource that allows us to do that and allows us to be more of who we are, to be generous to give to experience life at its fullest. And so, I don't know, I just think money is good. It's fun. I love it. And I just do believe that as long as you're in service, as long as you're out there helping people it's going to come back to you but don't chase it because money doesn't like to be chased.
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Sure, and I think just add to another like what is true about money right? Is that like, how you attract money is by being the vibration of money right? It's like money is just it's just a vibrational thing right? When when you when you trust money, and I think that's the hardest thing where people don't really trust money. Like I think it's hard. But when you can trust money and you can love money, and I've done a lot this is the work that I've done the last couple years because it's taken me some years to really do the mindset work. And to get to this place where like, I love money and money loves me and like having every like thinking of money is a relationship right? Because if we were to think about how we treat money, of course it's not coming to us. Like think about that. Like think about when we get a little bit of money and then we had to pay somebody we're like, oh my God, I don't want to get this right. Like just like they're like grasping of it because of all the stories around it. So when you can just think of it as a resource as like a love as like a friend as like a friendship, like you can change your relationship and when you change your relationship and your vibration with money, money will come to you.
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i One of my favorite thoughts is it's always there for me. Yeah, it's always there for me. Like if I let go of it, it comes back because it's always there for me. Yeah, I totally agree. And I think when it comes to manifestation, you really can't manifest using Mac you want anything? Yep.
33:05
Agreed. You are the creator. In the thing that actually gets in our mind is the limitations of the mind.
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Yeah, totally. It's so fun. Yeah,
33:13
exactly. So well. i Oh my gosh, this has been so much fun. We're definitely gonna have to do another conversation and maybe like to, like tackle another like some conversation around this because I feel like we've covered so much. Please tell everybody where they can find you because I'm sure you guys are gonna want to go follow her now because she's gonna love her just like
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so I'm an Instagram a lot. And then Instagram I'm at Jamie Berman. Underscore and then my website is Jamie berman.com. Pretty much on all the socials you can find me at Jamie Berman. So yeah, I love meeting all my manifesting people.
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I will link I'll make sure that all of that is linked up so you guys can easily just go to the show notes and link up and like go follow her on all the on all the medias and see her live I also really love watching Jamie's stories on Instagram because she has a really cute doggy and she was like Lauren, thank you so much and thank you everyone for tuning in this week. I it's always a pleasure to have you here and especially love doing these having these guests conversations with just my soul friends, my friends that are in here doing it and giving you guys a peek behind the scenes of what it really takes to create a business that you love. And just reminder that there are other ways to create a business and this is just more proof for you to go out there and really follow your fun follow your soul and check your doubts bye
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